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In progress.

Wednesday, 30 December 2009

No.2 - Itinerary

Dates & train times to be added, beds to be arranged, plans to be changed on a regular basis. But my thoughts to begin with, before I trim them down:

UK
Newcastle (Clousden Hill K 1896; Durham Miners' Gala K 1882)
TRAIN NO.1. NEWCASTLE TO LONDON *
London (K 1881 visit; K 1886-1914 lived in Harrow, Ealing & Bromley; Autonomy Club; Freedom Bookshop)
[Brighton] (1890s/1900s? lived) [SEPARATE TRIP?]

FRANCE
TRAIN NO.2 LONDON TO PARIS *
Paris (B 1844 meets Proudhon & Marx, likes one hates the other; K 1877 helps start socialist movement)
TRAIN NO.3 PARIS TO LYONS *
Lyons (B 1870 uprising; K 1882 sentenced to imprisonment)
TRAIN NO.4 LYONS TO LAKE GENEVA *, PLUS SMALL JOURNEYS
Thonon (K 1881 & 1882 where arrested) [LAKE GENEVA]

SWITZERLAND
Geneva (B 1843?; B 1867 conference; B 1868 First International; K 1872 International Workingmen's Association) [LAKE GENEVA]
[Vevey] (B 1863 passing through) [LAKE GENEVA]
TRAIN NO.5 GENEVA TO NEUCHATEL/BERNE = SMALL JOURNEYS
Neuchatel (K 1872 joined Jura federation, adopted anarchism; K 1873 again after escape; K 1878 editing 'La Revolte') [NEAR BERNE]
La Chaux de Fonds? K meets Malatesta etc..
Berne (B 1868 conference spit; B 1876 died)
TRAIN NO.6 BERNE TO BADEN/VIENNA VIA ZURICH (=optional. Alternative is direct to Dresden))
Zurich (B 1840?)

[Lugano] (B 1873 retirement) [NEAR ITALY]
[ITALY] (B 1864 developed anarchist ideas)

AUSTRIA
Baden (B 1848 attempted insurrection)
TRAIN NO.7 BADEN/VIENNA TO DRESDEN VIA PRAGUE (= optional, droppable)

(Prague) (B 1848 first pan slav congress)

GERMANY
Dresden (B 1840 study-awakening; B 1849 insurrection)
[Chemnitz] (B 1849 captured)
[Leipzig] (B passed through 1848)

TRAIN NO.8 DRESDEN TO WROCLAW (non-stop train)
POLAND
Breslau = Wroclau (B 1848 passed through; 1848or9? accused by Marx of being a state agent)
TRAIN NO.9 (change trains, don't stay over) WROCLAW VIA WARSAW TO MOSCOW OR ST.PETERSBURG

(Minsk)(Gardinas) (B 1834 military service)

RUSSIA
[Moscow] (B born 1814; K born; K 1921 died Dmitrov, buried Novodevichy cemetery)
[IF DO MOSCOW TO ST.PETERSBURG TRAIN, TSAR'S FINGER STORY & EXPLO LINKS, OR COULD START TRANS-SIBERIAN DIRECT FROM MOSCOW]
St.Petersburg (B study until 1834; B 1851-4 in Peter-Paul fortress; B 1854-1856 Shlisselburg; K 1857 joins corps of pages then army; K 1867 study after quit army; K 1871 joined revolutionary party; K 1873 in Peter-Paul fortress, escaped 1876)
Kronstadt
TRAIN NO.10 ST.PETERSBURG TO TOMSK
Tomsk (exile B 1857)
TRAIN NO.11 TOMSK TO IRKUTSK
Irkutsk (exile B 1857?-1861; K 1862? attache for cossack affairs)
TRAIN NO.12 IRKUTSK TO CHITA
Chita (K 1862 aide to governor)

[Nikolaevsk] (B 1861 trip he never made cos he escaped) [THE ONE IN VOLGOGRAD?]

TRAIN NO.13 TO VLADIVOSTOCK
Manchuria (K explorations 1864+)
[Vladivostock/sea of okhotsk]
TRAIN NO.14 VLADIVOSTOCK TO ST.PETERSBURG? [OR GO WHOLE WAY AND SPLIT THE RETURN]
FINLAND
tbc (K 1871 explorations; K 1876 escape route)
TRAIN NO.15 ST.PETERSBURG THROUGH FINLAND via HELSINKI, KEMI?, THIS , KROPOTKIN'S ROUTE, IS LONGWAY ROUND
SWEDEN
Stockholm (B joined wife 1863)
tbc (K 1871 explorations)

DENMARK
Christiana (K 1876 escape route)
TRAIN NO.16 STOCKHOLM? TO COPENHAGEN
Copenhagen (B 1863 attempt to join Polish insurrection)
FERRY OPTION ESBJERG TO HARWICH

TRAIN NO.17 OPTION COPENHAGEN TO THE HAGUE VIA BERLIN
GERMANY
Berlin (B 1840 study, 1848)
In 1848 Bakunin also passed through Frankfurt, Cologne, Leipzig

NETHERLANDS
Hague (B 1872 expelled from International by Marx)
FERRY OPTION AMSTERDAM TO NEWCASTLE

BELGIUM
Brussels (B 1843 to meet Polish nationalists; 1844+? voluntary exile; 1863 passing through)
TRAIN NO. 18 BRUSSELS (or Paris) TO LONDON [may be cheaper to go Brussels to Paris & then use Eurostar return]
UK
London (B 1863; Anarchist Bookfair)
TRAIN NO. 19 HOME TO BED.
Newcastle

6 comments:

  1. Train Journeys in Summary:

    TRAIN 1. NEWCASTLE TO LONDON *yep
    TRAIN 2 LONDON TO PARIS *yep
    TRAIN 3 PARIS TO LYONS *yep
    TRAIN 4 LYONS TO LAKE GENEVA *yep
    TRAIN 5 GENEVA TO NEUCHATEL/BERNE *wee
    TRAIN 6 BERNE TO BADEN/VIENNA VIA ZURICH *may skip thru
    TRAIN 7 BADEN/VIENNA TO DRESDEN VIA PRAGUE *may skip thru, making it Berne to Dresden
    TRAIN 8 DRESDEN TO WROCLAW *probable
    TRAIN 9 WROCLAW VIA WARSAW TO MOSCOW OR ST.PETERSBURG *to choose which
    (possible extra Moscow to St.Petersburg train)
    TRAIN 10 ST.PETERSBURG/MOSCOW TO TOMSK *yep
    TRAIN 11 TOMSK TO IRKUTSK *yep
    TRAIN 12 IRKUTSK TO CHITA *doesn;t matter how I split these sections if I'm coming back the same way
    TRAIN 13 CHITA TO VLADIVOSTOCK *not essential
    TRAIN 14 VLADIVOSTOCK TO ST.PETERSBURG *or some return like it
    TRAIN 15 ST.PETERSBURG THROUGH FINLAND *?needs more thought.
    TRAIN 16 STOCKHOLM? TO COPENHAGEN *? needs more thought.
    ( ferry option esjberg to harwich)
    TRAIN 17 COPENHAGEN TO THE HAGUE VIA BERLIN? * needs more thought
    ( ferry option amsterdam to newcastle )
    TRAIN 18 BRUSSELS/PARIS TO LONDON *probable
    TRAIN 19 LONDON TO NEWCASTLE *probable

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  2. List of countries, to check visas, currency etc..

    UK
    FRANCE
    SWITZERLAND
    AUSTRIA
    [POSSIBLY CZECH]
    GERMANY
    POLAND
    RUSSIA
    [FINLAND]
    [SWEDEN]
    DENMARK
    GERMANY
    NETHERLANDS
    BELGIUM
    FRANCE
    UK

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  3. How long I'd like to spend each place.
    This list will change if & when I learn more of specific places there, and if & when friends say they might meet me.

    London - 1day 1night
    Paris - 1day (night train to Lyons)
    Lyons - 1day
    Thonon, Geneva, Vevey - 2days 1night+
    Neuchatel - 1day+ 1night+
    Zurich - pass through is enough
    Baden - 0 needed
    Prague - 0 needed
    Dresden - 1day 1night
    Chemnitz - afternoon visit
    Leipzig - 0 needed
    Wroclau - pass through is enough
    Moscow - 0 needed except for:
    Dmitrov - afternoon visit
    Novodevichy - afternoon visit
    St.Petersburg - 2days minimum, 3better
    Kronstadt - afternoon visit
    Tomsk - 1day 1night
    Irkutsk - 2days 1night in city, more for countryside?
    Chita - 1day 1night in city, more for countryside?
    Manchuria - 0 yet
    Vladivostock/coast - 1day 1night?
    St.Petersburg - 1day+
    Helsinki? - 0 needed
    Other Finland places? - 0 needed yet
    Stockholm - afternoon stop would be fine
    Other Sweden places? - 0 needed yet
    Christiana - afternoon visit
    Copenhagen - 1day 1night
    Berlin - 0 needed
    Frankfurt, Cologne - 0 needed
    The Hague - pass through is fine
    Brussels - pass through is fine
    Paris - 0 needed
    London - 0 needed

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  4. Initial price estimates

    TRAIN 1. NEWCASTLE TO LONDON £27 if lucky, 3.30 hours
    TRAIN 2 LONDON TO PARIS £80
    TRAIN 3 PARIS TO LYONS only 2 hours!
    TRAIN 4 LYONS TO LAKE GENEVA 1.30 hours
    TRAIN 5 GENEVA TO NEUCHATEL/BERNE minimum 4oeuros if I have the right Berne, a 15 hour trip?
    TRAIN 6 BERNE TO DRESDEN from 30euros more likely 130euros
    TRAIN 8 DRESDEN TO WROCLAW 36euros 3.30 hours
    TRAIN 9 WROCLAW VIA WARSAW TO MOSCOW 25 hours, not sure cost
    MOSCOW TO ST.PETERSBURG $76 each way
    TRAIN 10 MOSCOW TO TOMSK $265
    TRAIN 11 TOMSK TO IRKUTSK $99
    IRKUTSK TO VLADIVOSTOCK $106
    TRAIN 14 VLADIVOSTOCK TO MOSCOW $460
    TRAIN 15 ST.PETERSBURG THROUGH FINLAND *?needs more thought.
    TRAIN 16 STOCKHOLM? TO COPENHAGEN *? needs more thought.
    ( ferry option esjberg to harwich)
    TRAIN 17 COPENHAGEN TO THE HAGUE VIA BERLIN? * needs more thought
    ( ferry option amsterdam to newcastle )
    TRAIN 18 BRUSSELS/PARIS TO LONDON £80
    TRAIN 19 LONDON TO NEWCASTLE £27 if lucky

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  5. First Attempt to Work Out Dates

    Day 1 Newcastle to London [4hrs]
    Night 1 London
    Day 2 London to Paris, day in Paris
    Night 2 Paris (or Lyon)
    Day 3 Lyon
    Night 3 Lake Geneva (or Lyon)
    Day 4 Lake Geneva
    Night 4 Lake Geneva
    Day 5 Lake Geneva/travel to Neuchatel
    Night 5 Neuchatel (gotta work this out)
    Day 6 Neuchatel/Jura
    Night 6 Neuchatel/Jura
    Day 7 Through Berne & Zurich to Dresden
    Night 7 Dresden
    Day 8 Dresden incl.Chemnitz visit
    Night 8 Train to Wroclaw/Dresden
    Day 9 Journey through Poland to Moscow
    Night 9 Polish train to Moscow?
    Day 10 Moscow
    Night 10 Moscow to St.Petersburg [8hrs]
    Day 11 St.Petersburg Peter-Paul
    Night 11 St.Petersburg
    Day 12 St.Petersburg Kronstadt
    Night 12 St.Petersburg
    Day 13 St.Petersburg (slack day)
    Night 13 Train St.Petersburg to Moscow [8hrs]
    Day 14 Moscow
    Night 14 train Moscow to Kazan (optional/ possible stop) [13 hours]
    Day 15 Kazan
    Night 15, train(if possible) Kazan to Yekaterinburg [13 hours]
    Day 16, connection/train Yekaterinburg to Taiga [22 hours] (link to Tomsk)
    Night 16 train Yekaterinburg to Taiga (to work out)
    Day 17 train Taiga to Tomsk [2hrs] for day
    Night 17 Tomsk
    Day 18 Tomsk to Taiga [2hrs] and back on train
    Night 18 train Taiga to Krasnoyarsk [8hrs]*
    Day 18 train Krasnoyarsk to Irkutsk [16hrs]
    Night 18 Irkutsk (or train to)
    Day 19 Irkutsk
    Night 19 Irkutsk/Baikal
    Day 20 Irkutsk/Baikal
    Night 21 Irkutsk
    Day 21 train Irkutsk to Chita [16hrs]
    Night 21 train Irkutsk to Chita [16hrs]
    Day 22 Chita
    Night 22 Chita

    [this next section looks too long so it's provisionally dropped]
    Day 23 train Chita to Vladivostock [56 hrs]
    Night 23 train Chita to Vladivostock
    Day 24 train Chita to Vladivostock
    Night 24 train Chita to Vladivostock
    Day 25 train Chita to Vladivostock
    Night 25 Vladivostock
    Day 26 Vladivostock
    Night 26 Vladivostock
    Day 27 train Vladivostock to Chita
    Night 27 train Vladivostock to Chita
    Day 28 train Vladivostock to Chita
    Night 28 train Vladivostock to Chita
    Day 29 train Vladivostock to Chita]

    Day 23 [or30] train Chita to Ulan Ude [10hrs]
    Night 23 Ulan Ude/train Chita to Ulan Ude
    Day 24 Ulan Ude
    Night 24 train Ulan Ude to Irkutsk [8hrs]
    Day 25 train Irkutsk to Krasnoyarsk[17hrs]
    Night 25 train Krasnoyarsk to Yekaterinburg
    Day 26 train Krasnoyarsk to Yekaterinburg
    Night 26 train Krasnoyarsk to Yekaterinburg [32hrs]
    Day 27 train Yekaterinburg to Moscow [26hrs]
    Night 27 train Yekaterinburg to Moscow [26hrs]
    Day 28 train Yekaterinburg to Moscow
    Night 28 train Moscow to St.Petersburg
    Day 29 St.Petersburg
    Night 29 St.Petersburg [or train]
    Day 30 train St.Petersburg to Helsinki [15hrs]
    Night 30 train Helsinki to Tornio
    Day 31 Tornio & finding a railway connection on the Swedish side.
    Night 31 Boden to Stockholm [13hrs, £50]
    Day 32 Stockholm [or train to Copenhagen]
    Night 32 Stockholm to Copenhagen [6hrs, £70]
    Day 33 Copenhagen - Christiania
    Night 33 Copenhagen to Cologne [good night-train]
    Day 34 Cologne to Brussels [2hrs] & maybe onto Paris
    Night 34 Brussels/Paris
    Day 35 Brussels/Paris to London
    Night 36 London or Newcastle

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  6. Categorising tickets - what are crucial lynchpins, what are nice to get advance cheap, & what need to stay flexible.

    The Lynchpins (which will decide other dates)

    Wroclaw to Moscow via Belarus [day/night 9]
    Moscow to Kazan (night 14+]
    Kazan to Taiga (night15-night16)
    Taiga to Irkutsk (night 18+)
    Chita to Ulan Ude [day 23+)
    Ulan Ude to Moscow (night 24-day 28)

    Good to get advance cheap

    Day 1 Newcastle to London
    Day 2 London to Paris
    Day 3 Paris to Lyon
    Day 5 Geneva to Neuchatel
    Day 7 Berne to Dresden
    Night 8 Dresden to Wroclaw

    Day 21 Irkutsk to Chita

    Night 28 Moscow to St.Petersburg
    Day 30 St.Petersburg to Helsinki
    Night 30 Helsinki to Tornio
    Night 31 Boden to Stockholm
    Day/Night 32 Stockholm to Copenhagen
    Night 33 Copenhagen to Cologne
    Day 34 Cologne to Brussels/Paris
    Day 35 Brussels/Paris to London
    Day 35 London to Newcastle

    Gaps to keep flexible

    Lyon to Geneva
    Neuchatel to Bern
    Moscow to St.Petersburg
    St.Petersburg to Moscow
    Taiga to Tomsk
    Tomsk to Taiga
    Tornio to Boden

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